4FRNT - In Hoji we Trust

skiato (26 févr.) disait:

Voire, et ça ce serait le Graal, un V2 en 190.
Mais bon, c’est encore plus rare qu’un corbeau

winstonsmith (26 févr.) disait:

skiato (26 févr.) disait:

Voire, et ça ce serait le Graal, un V2 en 190.
Mais bon, c’est encore plus rare qu’un corbeau

c'est mon rêve secret pas très secret.

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skiato (23 févr.) disait:

@ws : le profil du "nouveau" Raven 190 :

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twann74 ( 2 mars) disait:

bon, je vais sûrement me séparer d'un hoji train 187 d'ici la saison prochaine... en s912 pour du 336mm ou moins.

Je sais pas si le ski est trop petit pour moi ou si je l'ai monté trop en avant, mais j'ai du mal à l'exploiter pleinement

Poulaient ( 2 mars) disait:

twann74 ( 2 mars) disait:

bon, je vais sûrement me séparer d'un hoji train 187 d'ici la saison prochaine... en s912 pour du 336mm ou moins.

Je sais pas si le ski est trop petit pour moi ou si je l'ai monté trop en avant, mais j'ai du mal à l'exploiter pleinement

Mais quelle idée d'avoir le même bsl que moi... Ne pas craquer

Calixte ( 2 mars) disait:

Poulaient ( 2 mars) disait:

twann74 ( 2 mars) disait:

bon, je vais sûrement me séparer d'un hoji train 187 d'ici la saison prochaine... en s912 pour du 336mm ou moins.

Je sais pas si le ski est trop petit pour moi ou si je l'ai monté trop en avant, mais j'ai du mal à l'exploiter pleinement

Mais quelle idée d'avoir le même bsl que moi... Ne pas craquer

Mais t'as déjà 109, 112, 121, 125, 128
T'en as pas besoins je pense...

twann74 ( 2 mars) disait:

bon, je vais sûrement me séparer d'un hoji train 187 d'ici la saison prochaine... en s912 pour du 336mm ou moins.

Je sais pas si le ski est trop petit pour moi ou si je l'ai monté trop en avant, mais j'ai du mal à l'exploiter pleinement

skiato ( 2 mars) disait:

Calixte ( 2 mars) disait:

Poulaient ( 2 mars) disait:

twann74 ( 2 mars) disait:

bon, je vais sûrement me séparer d'un hoji train 187 d'ici la saison prochaine... en s912 pour du 336mm ou moins.

Je sais pas si le ski est trop petit pour moi ou si je l'ai monté trop en avant, mais j'ai du mal à l'exploiter pleinement

Mais quelle idée d'avoir le même bsl que moi... Ne pas craquer

Mais t'as déjà 109, 112, 121, 125, 128
T'en as pas besoins je pense...

T'as toujours besoin d'un Hoji dans ton quiver.
Il est certes à 112, mais son shape rend sa plage d'utilisation plus large qu'elle n'y parait, notamment en rando : poudre, croutée, carton, printemps... Bon, par contre, faut pas l'emmener dans le gelé raide.

Calixte ( 2 mars) disait:

Poulaient ( 2 mars) disait:

twann74 ( 2 mars) disait:

bon, je vais sûrement me séparer d'un hoji train 187 d'ici la saison prochaine... en s912 pour du 336mm ou moins.

Je sais pas si le ski est trop petit pour moi ou si je l'ai monté trop en avant, mais j'ai du mal à l'exploiter pleinement

Mais quelle idée d'avoir le même bsl que moi... Ne pas craquer

Mais t'as déjà 109, 112, 121, 125, 128
T'en as pas besoins je pense...

Calixte ( 2 mars) disait:

skiato ( 2 mars) disait:

Calixte ( 2 mars) disait:

Poulaient ( 2 mars) disait:

twann74 ( 2 mars) disait:

bon, je vais sûrement me séparer d'un hoji train 187 d'ici la saison prochaine... en s912 pour du 336mm ou moins.

Je sais pas si le ski est trop petit pour moi ou si je l'ai monté trop en avant, mais j'ai du mal à l'exploiter pleinement

Mais quelle idée d'avoir le même bsl que moi... Ne pas craquer

Mais t'as déjà 109, 112, 121, 125, 128
T'en as pas besoins je pense...

T'as toujours besoin d'un Hoji dans ton quiver.
Il est certes à 112, mais son shape rend sa plage d'utilisation plus large qu'elle n'y parait, notamment en rando : poudre, croutée, carton, printemps... Bon, par contre, faut pas l'emmener dans le gelé raide.

Comme ses CT3.0 en lt

stuntmanbo ( 2 mars) disait:

Some info on the new 2022 hoji on Blister. Will have the same aspen/maple core as the current renegade, -5 mount, new rocker profile similar to new devastator

skiato ( 2 mars) disait:

Ha les bâtards, ils ont mis leur test derrière un paywall : blisterreview.com

Ampoule disait:

Luke Koppa (5’8”, 155 lbs / 173 cm, 70 kg): One of the new-for-21/22 skis we got on at the Blister Summit was the 184 cm 4FRNT Hoji.

The last time anyone at Blister reviewed the men’s version of the Hoji was 9 years ago, and the ski had undergone a lot of changes between now and then. While details were still a little sparse at the Summit since 4FRNT and Hoji himself are still working on the new ski, they were able to spill a few things.

First, the 21/22 Hoji will be made in the Canadian factory where the 19/20–20/21 Renegade is made, and it uses a similar aspen/maple core, as opposed to the 20/21 Hoji’s poplar/paulownia core. The new Hoji also has a revised rocker profile and sidecut; similar to the revised Devastator, the new Hoji’s rocker profile and sidecut radius feature a blend of multiple radii, with the goal of improving versatility across more snow conditions.

Talking to the guys at 4FRNT, they were thinking about Hoji’s 21/22 signature line like this: the Raven is the lightweight, do-a-bit-of-everything touring ski, the Renegade is the deep pow ski, and the Hoji is designed to handle everything in between, including laps in the resort and the backcountry. Given that 4FRNT is still finalizing the design of the Hoji, there’s a chance some elements of the Hoji will change between the version we skied and the production version this fall, but we figured we might as well post some initial impressions.

My day on the new Hoji was in the resort in what would be accurately described as “variable” conditions. There were pitches of great chalk, some leftover firm chop, some super firm, scraped-off lines, and some loose sluff in the chokes of the tighter lines. I wouldn’t typically bring a 112mm-wide, reverse-camber ski out in these conditions, but they did seem like a good chance to test 4FRNT’s claims about the new ski being more versatile and resort-capable.

Two things surprised me right away.

First, the Hoji felt very predictable on super firm, smooth pitches. That’s where I typically dislike reverse-camber skis, but I experienced no weirdness while skidding and sliding through these sections. It doesn’t want to carve these conditions, but the Hoji was as predictable while sliding them as just about any other ski I got on last week.

The other surprise was a bit more general — the Hoji just felt like a ski that I was pretty happy to ski in the resort. I obviously would’ve preferred softer conditions for a ski like this, but it definitely didn’t feel like some ultralight, ultra-loose ski that’s only going to be fun for skiing untracked snow in the backcountry. We couldn’t get a measured weight on it, but by today’s standards, I think the Hoji is totally damp and stable enough for resort skiing if you’re not looking for an ultra-planted, super heavy ski. And I think it’d make for a rad 50/50 option, or just a dedicated touring ski. If I had to guess, I’d say the 184 cm Hoji we skied weighed somewhere between 1850–2050 grams per ski. That’s obviously a big range, but given how well it skied and how nimble it felt, it was a bit tough to really make a good guess.

Off piste in pretty much all conditions I got it in, the Hoji was very easy to slash and maneuver through tight spots. It was one of the most maneuverable skis I got on at the Summit. Its tail would dig in if I got too backseat, but it’s not a super demanding ski and that reverse-camber profile and straight shape make it very easy to throw sideways. And yet, it held an edge when I needed it to dig in and shed some speed. Overall, I think the new Hoji design makes for a sweet steeps ski — quick and maneuverable, but still pretty substantial. It was not difficult to ski, but I also never found myself feeling like I was overpowering it.

The mount point of the Hoji at the Summit was around -5 cm from true center, and I found that I could ski it very centered or drive its shovels pretty hard. The stances it would allow very much reminded me of my brief time on the current Raven and Renegade.

On piste, the Hoji is fine, but pretty boring. Given that this is a reverse-camber ski with a long sidecut radius (30 meters) and is designed for things like pillows, trees, and steeps, that’s totally fine by me. But I mostly mention this for the folks who will be considering this ski for frequent inbounds laps — just note that there are many better options in this width if you prioritize carving performance. The Hoji will predictably feather and slide turns and can carve pretty hard once you get a lot of speed going, but if you want to have a lot of fun on piste, I’d steer you toward the 4FRNT MSP 107 or even the Devastator.

My general takeaway was that the new Hoji would make for an awesome 50/50 ski, a do-everything backcountry touring ski for areas that see mostly soft or variable conditions, or a soft-snow inbounds ski. It’s a very maneuverable ski that excels in steep and / or tight terrain, while still feeling solid at speed in relatively forgiving conditions. It’s a cliche, but getting on the Hoji instantly made me think of its namesake’s skiing style. It encourages me to jump on stuff and lay into it hard, but also easily allows for plenty of slashes and quick changes of direction in between.

21/22 4FRNT Hoji | Blister

BLISTER | Flash Reviews | March 1, 2021 | The most honest & in-depth reviews of outdoor sports equipment

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derdide ( 2 mars) disait:

skiato ( 2 mars) disait:

Ha les bâtards, ils ont mis leur test derrière un paywall : blisterreview.com

Ampoule disait:

Luke Koppa (5’8”, 155 lbs / 173 cm, 70 kg): One of the new-for-21/22 skis we got on at the Blister Summit was the 184 cm 4FRNT Hoji.

The last time anyone at Blister reviewed the men’s version of the Hoji was 9 years ago, and the ski had undergone a lot of changes between now and then. While details were still a little sparse at the Summit since 4FRNT and Hoji himself are still working on the new ski, they were able to spill a few things.

First, the 21/22 Hoji will be made in the Canadian factory where the 19/20–20/21 Renegade is made, and it uses a similar aspen/maple core, as opposed to the 20/21 Hoji’s poplar/paulownia core. The new Hoji also has a revised rocker profile and sidecut; similar to the revised Devastator, the new Hoji’s rocker profile and sidecut radius feature a blend of multiple radii, with the goal of improving versatility across more snow conditions.

Talking to the guys at 4FRNT, they were thinking about Hoji’s 21/22 signature line like this: the Raven is the lightweight, do-a-bit-of-everything touring ski, the Renegade is the deep pow ski, and the Hoji is designed to handle everything in between, including laps in the resort and the backcountry. Given that 4FRNT is still finalizing the design of the Hoji, there’s a chance some elements of the Hoji will change between the version we skied and the production version this fall, but we figured we might as well post some initial impressions.

My day on the new Hoji was in the resort in what would be accurately described as “variable” conditions. There were pitches of great chalk, some leftover firm chop, some super firm, scraped-off lines, and some loose sluff in the chokes of the tighter lines. I wouldn’t typically bring a 112mm-wide, reverse-camber ski out in these conditions, but they did seem like a good chance to test 4FRNT’s claims about the new ski being more versatile and resort-capable.

Two things surprised me right away.

First, the Hoji felt very predictable on super firm, smooth pitches. That’s where I typically dislike reverse-camber skis, but I experienced no weirdness while skidding and sliding through these sections. It doesn’t want to carve these conditions, but the Hoji was as predictable while sliding them as just about any other ski I got on last week.

The other surprise was a bit more general — the Hoji just felt like a ski that I was pretty happy to ski in the resort. I obviously would’ve preferred softer conditions for a ski like this, but it definitely didn’t feel like some ultralight, ultra-loose ski that’s only going to be fun for skiing untracked snow in the backcountry. We couldn’t get a measured weight on it, but by today’s standards, I think the Hoji is totally damp and stable enough for resort skiing if you’re not looking for an ultra-planted, super heavy ski. And I think it’d make for a rad 50/50 option, or just a dedicated touring ski. If I had to guess, I’d say the 184 cm Hoji we skied weighed somewhere between 1850–2050 grams per ski. That’s obviously a big range, but given how well it skied and how nimble it felt, it was a bit tough to really make a good guess.

Off piste in pretty much all conditions I got it in, the Hoji was very easy to slash and maneuver through tight spots. It was one of the most maneuverable skis I got on at the Summit. Its tail would dig in if I got too backseat, but it’s not a super demanding ski and that reverse-camber profile and straight shape make it very easy to throw sideways. And yet, it held an edge when I needed it to dig in and shed some speed. Overall, I think the new Hoji design makes for a sweet steeps ski — quick and maneuverable, but still pretty substantial. It was not difficult to ski, but I also never found myself feeling like I was overpowering it.

The mount point of the Hoji at the Summit was around -5 cm from true center, and I found that I could ski it very centered or drive its shovels pretty hard. The stances it would allow very much reminded me of my brief time on the current Raven and Renegade.

On piste, the Hoji is fine, but pretty boring. Given that this is a reverse-camber ski with a long sidecut radius (30 meters) and is designed for things like pillows, trees, and steeps, that’s totally fine by me. But I mostly mention this for the folks who will be considering this ski for frequent inbounds laps — just note that there are many better options in this width if you prioritize carving performance. The Hoji will predictably feather and slide turns and can carve pretty hard once you get a lot of speed going, but if you want to have a lot of fun on piste, I’d steer you toward the 4FRNT MSP 107 or even the Devastator.

My general takeaway was that the new Hoji would make for an awesome 50/50 ski, a do-everything backcountry touring ski for areas that see mostly soft or variable conditions, or a soft-snow inbounds ski. It’s a very maneuverable ski that excels in steep and / or tight terrain, while still feeling solid at speed in relatively forgiving conditions. It’s a cliche, but getting on the Hoji instantly made me think of its namesake’s skiing style. It encourages me to jump on stuff and lay into it hard, but also easily allows for plenty of slashes and quick changes of direction in between.

21/22 4FRNT Hoji | Blister

BLISTER | Flash Reviews | March 1, 2021 | The most honest & in-depth reviews of outdoor sports equipment

article | BLISTER

skiato ( 2 mars) disait:

Mi no comprendo.
Tu l'as monté à combien du talon ton Hoji, Twann ?

twann74 ( 3 mars) disait:

skiato ( 2 mars) disait:

Mi no comprendo.
Tu l'as monté à combien du talon ton Hoji, Twann ?

je l'ai monté là où il restait de la place

pas mal en avant quand meme, il faudrait que je mesure à nouveau pour avoir le chiffre exact je vais regarder cette aprem.
Je vais essayer de skier encore un peu avec mais j'ai pas du tout la même assurance sur le Hoji que sur mon René 196 par exemple c'est assez bizarre

Sinon, depuis que Matt Sterbenz est parti chez WNDR, le type n'a pas chômé... On en parle de ce Vital 100 ????
wndr-alpine.com ?
>> Lignes de cotes : 126-100-118mm
>> Rayon - 24m @ 183cm
>> Poids - 1850g @ 183cm
>> Tailles : 169, 176, 183, 190cm
>> Existe en double rocker ou reverse
>> Taper en stapule et talon contenus
>> Outline relativement tendu

Franchement, il m'intrigue ce ski... mais je ne sais pas s'ils sont plus facile à se procurer que les 4frnt en Europe...

RouxFlaquettes ( 3 mars) disait:

Merci pour ton avis Skiato

Effectivement pour le Go j'ai peut-être fait une petite erreur. J'ai pas osé prendre le ski plus grand n'ayant jamais skié de longs skis.
Je vais pouvoir tester les Camox un peu plus sérieusement la semaine prochaine à Serre-Chevalier (s'il reste de la neige !). La légèreté m'a un peu fait flipper au début, j'avais l'impression que la neige décidait où j'allais ^^ A la deuxième sortie c'était mieux.
Le Kendo m'a toujours satisfait donc effectivement il pourrait rester dans le quiver... Pourtant c'est celui que j'ai le moins utilisé ces deux dernières annnées.
J'aime bien ton idée de Kendo + Raven, surtout que le Hoji a une plage d'utilisation plus réduite d'après ce que j'ai compris.
Le Raven en accroche bien en devers ? Parce que à 109 le Go c'est bof.

Bon ben messieurs, du coup si y'a un Raven 184 (ou 186 pour les premières versions ?) qui sort je suis potentiellement intéressé

RouxFlaquettes ( 3 mars) disait:

Bon ben messieurs, du coup si y'a un Raven 184 (ou 186 pour les premières versions ?) qui sort je suis potentiellement intéressé

skiato ( 3 mars) disait:

Sinon, depuis que Matt Sterbenz est parti chez WNDR, le type n'a pas chômé... On en parle de ce Vital 100 ????
wndr-alpine.com ?
>> Lignes de cotes : 126-100-118mm
>> Rayon - 24m @ 183cm
>> Poids - 1850g @ 183cm
>> Tailles : 169, 176, 183, 190cm
>> Existe en double rocker ou reverse
>> Taper en stapule et talon contenus
>> Outline relativement tendu

Franchement, il m'intrigue ce ski... mais je ne sais pas s'ils sont plus facile à se procurer que les 4frnt en Europe...

winstonsmith ( 4 mars) disait:

skiato ( 3 mars) disait:

Sinon, depuis que Matt Sterbenz est parti chez WNDR, le type n'a pas chômé... On en parle de ce Vital 100 ????
wndr-alpine.com ?
>> Lignes de cotes : 126-100-118mm
>> Rayon - 24m @ 183cm
>> Poids - 1850g @ 183cm
>> Tailles : 169, 176, 183, 190cm
>> Existe en double rocker ou reverse
>> Taper en stapule et talon contenus
>> Outline relativement tendu
>> Montage à -7 du True Center

Franchement, il m'intrigue ce ski... mais je ne sais pas s'ils sont plus facile à se procurer que les 4frnt en Europe...

après faut voir le flex qu'il sort et la capacité du ski à amortir le relief.
Si c'est un truc tout sautillant ça peut pas en faire un bon ski de montagne.
A l'inverse si ça marche ça peut faire un super truc.

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winstonsmith ( 4 mars) disait:

J'avais le même. je l'ai vendu 280 balles.
J'aurais été un sacré trader loser...

winstonsmith ( 4 mars) disait:

https://youtu.be/vd4zwINEcLY?t=19

Poulaient ( 3 mars) disait:

Tu seras de quand à quand sur Serre Che?